I love Twitter. I love the insight, the access, the debate and I love how it makes me look like I’m doing something on my phone when I’m in public with nothing else to do. That being said, however, Twitter does infuriate me. Every Tom, Dick and Harry (no associations or usernames intended) suddenly becomes a “source” for transfer rumours and if you believe everything you read players have signed for four different clubs within half an hour of each other.
It’s funny that this has only just recently started to wind me up. I’ll admit that during the Eden Hazard transfer limbo I enjoyed seeing millions of tweets so assured that he was signing for United, it gave me hope. This, alas, didn’t come to pass, and since then the endless nonsense really has started to get on my nerves. I’ll be honest, it’s really since we were linked with a certain Lucas Moura.
I would not pretend to be an expert in South American football, but I do consider myself to be more informed than most. Having spent most of the last two years engrossing myself in Brazilian football and particularly in the Sao Paulo state clubs (Sao Paulo, Corinthians, Santos, Palmeiras and others) I have seen quite a lot of this young prodigy.
He is fast, surprisingly strong, reasonably intelligent but to be honest I was really surprised that United would be interested in signing this type of player and more specifically this player. To be daring I would go so far to say he’s a Theo Walcott 2.0. I have no love for Walcott. I hate his predictability, bombing up the wing after hitting the ball past his opponent, head down until he reaches the edge of the box where he’ll keep his head down and inevitably fail to connect a cross or pass.
Now, Lucas is better than this, but sadly his game resembles that of Walcott on occassion. He is also prone to disappearing in games where defenders have the measure of him. His career has seen him come through the youth ranks of Juventus and Corinthians before signing for Sao Paulo in 2005. For the senior team he has made 104 appearances in competitive matches, scoring 26 goals and creating 20 goals for his teammates. This isn’t unimpressive but given that a lot of his performances have been in the state championships (for those unfamiliar check out great sources such as @Sambafoot_en on twitter and go to their website, or a google search will inform you) the calibre of opposition is below a decent standard.
Lucas struggled to really set the Campeonato Brasileiro alight. Flashes of brilliance has led to an impressive Youtube highlight reel, which judging by the comments on social media seem to be the main sources of peoples knowledge. Yes this is what Lucas is capable of, but he needs a lot of improvement before we even contemplate bidding half of the rumoured €33 million. I look forward to the development of his career…I just hope that it’s not at United. I can’t help but feel we are looking in the wrong part of Brazil for talent…
Sadly Chelsea and Tottenham seem to have been looking in the right part. The City of Porto Alegre in the state of Rio Grande do Sul is home to Sport Club Internacional. Inter is currently the club of two of the brightest prospects in Brazilian, if not world football. Leandro Damiao has attracted much media attention after an excellent season past that saw him top the goal scoring charts in the Campeonato Brasileiro. Hotly linked to clubs such as AC Milan and Tottenham Hotspur the latter of whom Inter have had an affiliation with which has seen Sandro sign for the North London Club, Damiao is rightly gaining international recognition.
It is Damiao’s teammate, however, whom I feel United should be pursing. One Oscar dos Santos Emboaba Junior, or Oscar if you feel thats a bit of a mouthful, is a young player recently bestowed with the high honour of receiving the fabled Number 10 Selecão Jersey. At just 20 years old he looks certain to keep it for a while too, so what is it about this young man whom few had heard of until he turned up for the Olympics and had a medical at Chelsea. Oscar’s career to date is an interesting one.
At senior level he started life out in Sao Paulo but left the club in acrimonious circumstances after his wages were not paid. He joined Inter in 2009/10 but was later ordered by a Court to return to Sao Paulo ruling that he was in breach of contract. He refused to return to the Morumbi and eventually in April of 2012 he was allowed to return to the Porto Alegre outfit who shelled out about €6million in compensation for him. Oscar has made 84 appearances for Inter scoring 19 goals and creating 22 goals but these stats do not reveal all that Oscar does for his club.
A shy personality who doesn’t seek the limelight, Oscar does his talking on the pitch and it’s obvious to see that this is his home. Two footed, pacey yet with that passing elegance and precision you would associate with a traditional number 10, Oscar has been shown as competent all across the midfield. Within the last six months however, he has been playing in a more advanced role playing largely behind the striker, although with the wonderful talent to drift out wide before exploding past a defender. Rather in the mould of Mesut Ozil, Oscar has the wonderful draw of being able to adapt into any system and position. His greatest trait, I believe, is the simplicity he brings to the game. He passes the ball with ease, he is able to control the tempo of the game and his vision and tactical awareness is simply superb. He has traits reminiscent of a young Paul Scholes and if by some miracle United hijacked the deal between Chelsea and Inter, Oscar could significantly increase Scholes’ effectiveness in the deeper part of the midfield. Oscar creates space, he drags defenders here, there and all over the place. Quick as a flash, however, he can play the ball into thirty yards of space allowing others time and space to advance an attack. Time and time again we have seen Scholes influence decline in matches where pressure is high and closing down is often.
Oscar’s abilities would certainly take pressure off Scholes to be the creative outlet but would also allow him space to impose himself on a game. Not that this is the reason we should be signing the young playmaker, but this is just one aspect of his game. Such is his favour and promise that just recently his former coach Dorival Junior said “Oscar is a modern player. He’s complete; he marks, he gets involved, he scores goals and he’s always moving. And he can get even better.” Which was echoed by Mano Menezes who said that Chelsea could expect “a very intelligent player”
Shinji Kagawa has been hailed as the creative genius United have been waiting for and I was both delighted and excited by his arrival at Old Trafford. The fact remains however, that he cannot be expected to do this by himself. A partner like Oscar who has proven experience in playing centrally, or on the right and left working with him could see many bullets being built for Rooney, Welbeck and Chicharito to fire.
The prospect of this is mouthwatering, but alas, it seems not to be. Whether Fergie isn’t a fan or United know he’s not for joining, the rumours haven’t circulated as I hoped. It’s to Chelsea most likely for this young man and for him I fear. Chelsea will stall his career. He won’t be guaranteed first team football and will waste his time on the bench.
If Romelu Lukaku is anything to go by, Oscar should reconsider his options. It does seem however, that we are for signing the wrong Brazilian (in my opinion) in Lucas. Ironically, Lucas had been linked strongly last year to Chelsea and many were shocked when chelsea completed the signing of Sao Paulo’s other Lucas [Piazon]. In fact so shocked were some commentators, a couple began to question if the Chelsea scouts had reported back the wrong surname and Chelsea had signed Piazon by mistake! I do like Piazon and think he has the potential to play at a high level some day, just not for Chelsea. He doesn’t seem to be the type of player they are looking for to meet Roman’s demands of perfection. It seems as though this time, they’ve possibly struck gold in Oscar.
As for United…well we’ll have to settle for second best again. Losing out to Hazard, not even seemingly interested in one of the brightest talents in Brazil (and before you all start at me, there is no doubting that Oscar is a better all round player and prospect than Lucas) and being prepared to pay silly amounts of money for second best isn’t something United should look to do, It is a tactic of our blue neighbours – just ask Gareth Barry and Roque Santa Cruz!
I like Lucas Moura, I really do. If United sign him I will cheer him on. I just cannot shake the feeling that we are wanting first class and getting easyjet. We don’t have a great track record signing brazilians. As much as I love Anderson he hasn’t set the world alight, the twins are full of promise but still have work to do and as for Kleberson…well enough said. Yes Lucas is a good footballer but Oscar is excellent. And how do we know? Well again we turn to his National team coach Menezes who when asked about just how good Oscar was said this “Put it this way…He wears the No10 for Brazil and we don’t give that shirt out to just anybody.”
Lets face it…we are signing the wrong Brazilian.
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well zach may have already pointed u to that article, but trust me on WAGNH there are several interesting reads.. to me its the best chelsea blog i've ever come across with great writers who provide an in depth analysis of everything related to the club. as for the FFP, the wages are coming down, we are signing youngsters with lower wages so thats a good part of the wage bill trimmed. chelsea having won the Cl recently is now one of the best european clubs (more shiny to sponsors now), as a result we are signing quite some sponsorships (audi, gazprom, delta, sauber, etc). i wont be going on to say its worth 50m since no one actually does. the point i'm trying to make is that the club is moving positively towrads the ffp. the only clubs who are in non-compliance with the FFP are city and PSG. and PSG are taking big chances. lesse what happens. as of chelsea, i'm pretty sure, we wont have issues meeting the FFP since we are moving positively towards breaking even, and losses of a considerable amount (30m ??) is permitted for the first two years, as long as the clubs has a positive trend towards breaking even.
Nice article. I've lived in Brazil for a couple of years now, and followed the league football quite close myself. I agree that Oscar is more mature at the moment, but I still think you are underestimating Lucas a bit. For me, he is a raw diamond which needs a lot of supervising and hard work to reach his full potential. Improvement is necessary in many aspects of his game, but I have no doubt that he will develop in to a world class player under SAF's wings.
He actually kind of reminds me of a certain C.Ronaldo at this age. A lot of pace, great skills and a lot of guts to take on defenders. Physically I would claim he allready is ahead. If Lucas does show half of the proffesionalism and determination of CR, he could become a Old Trafford great with time himself. I agree that the transfer fees being rumoured are insane, taken considiration of what Lucas has achieved till now, but I would be furious to see him beeing snapped by another club and becoming a star.
Oscar is a wonderfull player, but I think that Kagawa possesses many of the same qualities you mention, and he has allready proved himself as one of the best players in the Bundesliga and is likeliy to adapt much faster. Lets not forget Tom Cleverley either.
There's an excellent article on Chelsea blog We Ain't Got No History about how Chelsea are handling this in FFP.
http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2012/7/25/31868…
I'd also note there's a big increase in tv money coming and Chelsea secured lucrative sponsorships and 50m Euros with their CL win.
Check out Sambafoot.com's @Chris_Elastico as he reviews the excellent performance by Oscar tonight.
http://sambafoot.com/en/news/33838_oscar_puts_on_…
Hi Andrew, this is Marco, brazilian, and I live in Sao Paulo. A few comments from me:
1 – First of all, I would like to say that I´m amused to see some European lad with such good knowledge of the brazilian football. Here you´d see a lot of guys following the Premier League, even wearing United, Arsenal or Chelsea replica shirts (now some City shirts too), but I would never expect the other way around. Do you follow as a neutral or do you have sympathy for a specific brazilian club?
2 – In my opinion you were spot on in your Lucas vs Oscar comparison.
3 – Suggesting the likes of Bernard to Newcastle is not very realistic as I see it. Bernard is currently the best player of the Brasileiro and is very young (19 y.o.). He is even outshining his more famous teamate Ronaldinho. Also, his team Atletico, is fighting for the league 1st place so is more probable that Atletico will want to stick with the player now to perform well in the league and hope the players value arises, and maybe sell him to a big European club for a lot more in a couple of years.
4 – I cannot agree at all with the following comment: "And Ronaldo was already playing in a competitive European league", suggesting Ronaldo played in a more competitive league than Lucas. I wouldn´t have a problem admitting the Brazilian league is inferior to the likes of Premier League, Bundesliga, La Liga or Serie A. But besides that no other European Legue is more competitive than Brazilians not even the French one with PSG. The likes of Maritmo or Rio Ave would never fare well in Campeonato Brasileiro and neither Porto or Benfica would win it in my view. So hearing this from a guy that follows the brazilian league kind of disapoints me. Other than that nice work though.
Marco, nice to hear from you! Thanks for the comments.
Firstly (and I explained this badly) I meant Ronaldo was playing in Champions league as opposed to Portuguese league and I agree half the teams in the brasileiro would tear apart those teams. Champions league however is very different as I'm sure you'll appreciate.
As for Bernard I was saying he's someone who'd fit into the style Newcastle are trying to play. I know Atletico wouldn't let him go for all the gold in Brazil! He's truly phenomenal and if he keeps getting better…well i'm getting excited at the thought. On that thought do you think Atletico can truly challenge for the title? They are a wonderful team to watch at the minute but wonder if they'll be able to go the distance.
As for my allegiances well they lie mainly in Sao Paulo, I spent some time there a few years back and fell in love with the place. I don't have a favourite team but simply love watching the style of football – I have a sao paulo corinthians and a santos shirt on the way so I think i'd get killed if I said that in a bar in the city! I love the football its exciting, really exciting. Who do you support? A bit of a bio on the club would be appreciated by other readers as well i'm sure.
Do you follow the site or how did you come by the article?
Many thanks!
Err, kawaga's a great player and terrific buy no doubt, but mata and hazard are better then him, so saying Oscar couldn't be in front of kawaga but cold be in front of mata/hazard is very wrong, we bought Oscar to, presumably, be a short term backup for lampard in the pivot, and add more great depth for the number 10, and for him to eventually replace lamps in the pivot/whatever formation we use In the future
brilliant article, i didn't know anything about oscar till chelsea signed him. I thought lucas was the best youngster. Still i don't know what will happen….
Oscar is going to b d best player in d world in 2-3 years time.so,ya all haters u better watch out.
wow!! chelsea fan here.. mate.. i must admit u are amongst the best man utd bloggers i've ever read.. i've seen this with utd bloggers, they tend to be a lot biased (not that they shudnt be).. but they dont try to see the thing thats wrong with their team.. but this article is bang on.. i seriously dont understand the concept of trying to sign lucas (i do have some knowledge of the barzilain league, nowhere near urs though!!).. manu have enough AMs and wingers (which happen to be the two positions lucas can play). comparing that to oscar who was initially a CM and then started to play as an AM and more of a no 10 but still drops deeper. i think he was bought as a replacement of lampard (the current position, albeit a holding mid in the pivot i.e. CM). i'm very happy that he's signed for us.. man utd seriously need a good CM and if u guys get one (a good one i mean) the league is gonna be a very tight three horse race (though i might sound optimistic considering the new signings will take time to settle).. but then whats wrong with hoping!! great article.. i'll be a regular reader from now on!!
Thanks for the feedback! Interesting that you see Oscar as a replacement for lampard over the years. Not entirely sure whats happening with Lampards new contract but hoping that if he doesn't renew Oscar isn't forced back too soon! Terrifying prospects if you buy another holding midfielder or a Full Back – Chelsea will be right up there Im annoyed to say
Good luck for the season! And enjoy the site, the guys who run it are all intelligent football fans so theres always room for debate! Even with Chelsea fans
haha.. as for lampard, he's old,, his contract might be renewed but u cant expect him to play 50 matches a season.. say 30-40 wud be a realistic target.. so u can certainly bring someone like oscar to play the other 20-25 odd.. this way u dont rush him and at the same time he gets reasonable time to develop into what is expected out of him!! i agreed to nearly everthing u said expect for the fact when u mentioned LUKAKU.. c'mon he's 18 and not getting minuted ahead of drogba, torres, anelka, sturridge,etc is something he shudnt have a probelm with. he was bought for the future and he couldnt be sent out on loan due to some problems (he played for 2 clubs so couldnt register for a third). this year he shud be sent on loan. he can be great, and i'm completely convinced after watching him in the pre-season.. as for oscar and the other young blues, the future looks better since most of the older players have left or will leave (ferreira, malouda, etc) so they shud be getting enough minutes to develop and get to the pace of the league after which they can call the position their own!!
as for the fullback, we are in the market for a fullback. i hear we are linked with azpilicueta. and maybe we get a backup striker since lukaku shud be heading out on loan.. but then nothing's done till its done!!
The Lukaku point was meant to be a little inflammatory. I rue the fact we missed out on him first time and the way he was treated at chelsea under AVB (allegedly) Seems to have left him downbeat. Though it was probably brilliant for him to learn from the Drog and I think he's having a bright enough pre-season so hopefully he'll get a chance this year. If I were sturridge i'd be getting worried about my place. Lukaku may be second choice if he continues to develop!
If you buy Azpilicueta (and from what I hear he's very available) I may just cry a little bit.
Question though, how is your teams summer transfer policy going to turn out in light of financial fair play rules?
Chelsea fan here, nice article mate. How much do you think the fact that there is a quite a decent number of Brazilians in our squad (4 now with Oscar)would have helped him agree to a move and also, more pertinently, how much of a factor will it be in helping him settle in quickly?
On another point, I suspect we'll see a lot more of Oscar than we did with Lukaku, one because he's a much more complete player right now than lukaku and two, despite the competition for places in the band of 3, uve got to remember Mata will have 3 weeks off after the Olympics, which if Spain progress as expected , means it could well be September before he's back. Hazard and Marin will be crucial in the first month, but I think their burden will be eased considerably if Oscar adjusts quickly. Which brings me to another question( yes quite a few, bear with me
). Oscar seems quite frail to me at first glance and I do believe this will hinder his chances of playing in the double pivot immediately( although long- term, it could easily be where he excels) but do u think hell be able to adapt quickly while playing more advanced? Or will it take quite some time before he gets used to the physicality of the pl? Thanks in advance.
I think the fact he has fellow countrymen there makes it easier. Champions league winners didn't hurt either. He's somewhat deceptively frail and I think after a short spell of bulking up he'll be ok. He's very good at creating space so therefore he'll hopefully not spend his time being bullied by defenders. Saying that I wouldn't put him in the line up against stoke just yet. After spains performance today Mata may not be at the olympics very much longer
If I haven't answered questions just let me know!
Thanks for the nice things you said! Appreciate it!
Yes, one can only hope with regards to Mata
. Unfortunately, with Honduras and Morocco the others in their group, I'm not getting my hopes up in seeing him back here soon.
Ha! Sure you never know! Morocco have a couple of decent players! Make sure you watch the Brazil match tonight! You'll enjoy it!
Andrew, great article that is. For God's sake, I am a Chelsea fan & I couldn't help seeing objectivity, incisiveness & thoroughness in an article as this. I don't think the best of Chelsea fan knows much about Oscar, especially with regards to comparison with Lucas's footballing ability.
Thanks Hananiah! Enjoy Oscar being a blue im insanely jealous!
I never new there were so many football experts in the world all I have to say is that if sir Alex thinks lucus Is worth spending 30 million pound on Him then we jus have to trust in him he has put together great team after great team the most decorated manager ever and with out a dought the best manager ever I have a feeling that this team is going to be the greatest off all
Without a dought? You Manure fans are dumber than I thought. I doubt you will be decorating your manager further in his illustrious career.
Oscar can play a central midfield role like xavi, scholes, pirlo, sahin. He has often played there at inter and he did very well. He can replace scholes for us. Powell is inexperienced for the fact he was bought from a third division. Anderson is inconsistent and injury prone, cleverly is injury prone and still raw (matches against ajax, bilbao and gb vs brazil) show that cleverly is raw and kagawa is not a central midfield player but a player behind a striker like ozil, silva. Scholes is 38yrs old. Only carrick is there for us and if he get injured, we are doomed. Anyway only man utd bid that high for lucas, inter only rate him at 10-15mil. Real and chelsea never bid for him even mourinho went to watch him against denmark and he was not impressed. So why are we bidding high for such an overrated player who would soon turn 20 this year when will have central midfield problem? We could have bid for sahin, moutinho even joe allen.
Lucky to come across this piece, thank you for the different angle! With so much attention on the "big leagues" of Europe we tend to forget there is an entire world across the ocean and it's not some exotic minor league decades behind.
Andrew, I've got a completely off-topic and hypothetical question for you. A proud Newcastle fan here – while I am more than aware we won't be signing any Brazilian players anytime soon with our low-expense policy, it would be very curious if you could suggest what names could match our current style and complement what we already have. I don't mean cherrypicking the top prospects who would cost 30+ million, but the more developed players on the verge of a new challenge in their career (players in the same stage/situation like Tiote, Cabaye, etc.) They don't necessarily need to be world class, I just want to see what positions and what qualities you would suggest for a club trying to mount a challenge for the top 4 spots in the Premier League.
It's a great question Kevin and one thats got my brain working I would suggest the following players for newcastle:
To bolster attacking options you should take a look at Bernard from Atletico Mineiro – Youtube will give you some idea but take a look at this goal he scored from the weekend past. Sublime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp3GCfHr1Ao
Felipe Anderson of Santos is seen as the new Ganso – very raw but great glimpses of talent. Unlikely to get a work permit though.
For fullback issues take a look at Cortez from Sao Paulo whose speedy, strong, intelligent and has a decent final product with a cross, pass or shot. Diego Renan from Cruzeiro is also a fun prospect – he's like Santon, likes to get forward can play at LB and RB, 2 footed attacking full back. But still very green and would be torn apart at a higher level. Deserves to have the chance though. Fluminense had a great full back in Fagner but he's just signed for Wolfsburg.
In terms of midfield, Paulinho and Ralf of Corinthians are very exciting accomplished players but would cost a fortune. Romulo (formerly of Vasco) would have been superb but for some silly reason he's signed for Spartak Moscow – Watch him at the olympics though he's really very talented.
As for CB issues i'm not really sure. Obvious Choice would be Dede of Vasco but they aren't likely to let him go for anything other than a huge fee.
Trouble is that a lot of the players would have issues getting work permits so this is all just hypothetical, but check the players out, watch a few games (a few streams now have english commentary if you don't want to listen to GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL forever).
Good question! Thanks again!
We don't need a player like Oscar. You have forgotten about the amount of midfield players we have that can play his role. Powell, Kagawa, Anderson, Cleverly, Lingard…etc. If we signed Oscar, he would be adding to the numbers. Lucas Moura is just 19. I can bet that if he stays in Sao Paulo, after the world cup, he won't want to come to Man Unied. By then, he would be compared to the likes of Neymar and Messi. His price would skyrocket. To me, the lad is an investment. Oscar can't get any better. His blessing of being able to play in different positions is also a curse because he won't be allowed to develop in a specific role.
If you think Oscar cant get any better then just you watch him…
Im from Brazil e Sao Paulo´s fan. My opinion about Lucas vs. Oscar (both played in Sao Paulo) is that their styles are very different.
Lucas = Messi (velocity, explosion, strong, dribbling..)
Oscar = Kaka (intelligence, match vision, nice pass…)
Oscar played in Sao Paulo but his agent, Giuliano Bertolucci (Kia Joorabchian´s friend) "forced" him to enter the justice against Sao Paulo (the same thing with Lucas Piazon). Two years later, Sao Paulo won and Oscar had to pay to get free pass. He was banned to playing for a few months this year because that.
Oscar is 20 years and Lucas is 19.
In the future, I believe Lucas will be better!
If Manchester sign him, will be taking the best player I saw play for Sao Paulo (I'm 22 y.o)
You know what the Brazilian I think we should be going for is Sandro, I have watched Spurs a lot and cant believe Parker is picked ahead of him, it shows how corrupt Harry Redknapp is really, an unreal player, he is everywhere and seems to win every tackle.
I am sure AVB will pick him ahead of Parker but if we go in now surely the player will want to leave for us and may drive the move through……a holding midfielder is what we need
I reckon AVB will play both he and parker holding with Bale, VDV and Sigurdsson (SP) behind a striker. AVB is itching to buy more players though. Sale of Modric will help
I would say that yep, a bit pricey but then again the complaint has been that we DONT spend!, anyway, Lucas looks the type that i fully believe will do very well at Utd IF we had Queiroz!, as he has a far better technical brain and tactical brain compared to Fergie and Phelan, and that is what is evidently missing from certain players at Utd.
Also man utd put flairs skills e.g dribbles, trickery, pace, speed,even body built and great shots… above technical skills e.g first touch, ball control, passing ability… when scouting players. This shouldn't be, technical skills should come first, then if the player also has flairs, then it's a bonus. Barca, for example scout for technical skilled players with some flairs. This had make barca's la masia successful, even alex sanchez has curb his dribbles and concentrate more on his passing which is not great. Most time man utd turn eyes to the flair skills rather than technical skills. sometime we are lucky that these players also have some technical skills like ronaldo,nani e.t.c but most lack. this is why we have bought bebe, chicharito, macheda, and especially anderson whose ball control and passing skills is bad apart from his vision, great first touch and dribbles. We need to change our scouts please.
Also man utd put flairs skills e.g dribbles, trickery, pace, speed and great shots… above technical skills e.g first touch, ball control, passing ability… when scouting players. This shouldn't be, technical skills should come first, then if the player also has flairs, then it's a bonus. Barca, for example scout for technical skilled players with some flairs. This had make barca's la masia successful, even alex sanchez has curb his dribbles and concentrate more on his passing which is not great. Most time man utd turn eyes to the flair skills rather than technical skills. sometime we are lucky that these players also have some technical skills like ronaldo,nani e.t.c but most lack. this is why we bought bebe, chicharito, macheda, and especially anderson whose ball control and passing skills is bad apart from vision, great first touch and dribbles. We need to change our scouts please.
Apart from lucas lack of decision making, lucas has a poor first touch, he takes many touches before getting the ball under control though his ball control is great. Ronaldo's first touch is the best i have ever seen even when he was young, this makes him glides behind defence easily and score 30+ goals from the wings. Decision making, ball control and first touch are the three most difficult skills to improve if not learned at a tender age as a footballer and lucas has only ball control out of the three. For example Rooney's first touch is still poor till now, nani's decision making has not improved neither is ronaldo's decision making apart from scoring many goals due to his excellent first touch. Pls i want to know how good is bernard anicio?
interesting article. echoes with some of the nagging thoughts i have been having over the last couple of weeks. at first i was mystified why fergie wants moura. i do think fergie is eyeing a new style of play/formation which will challenge barca and RM. i don't entirely know what it is and i don't entirely know where lucas moura would fit but i do think fergie should be trusted. i suspect pace is at the centre of the plan and lucas does have that along with good control and the ability to go past a man. our play has been too static for a couple of years. i would like oscar for all the reasons you list. i would also like ganso although his career has stalled and he is injury prone, but they both have that scholes like ability to dictate pace and pick a pass. however fergie seems very serious about lucas and i for one don't care about the price tag. it is the glazers money after all (finally) and its about time they spent some.
Nice article man! Its indeed a bit puzzling that United are ready to spend so much on such a young player. Judging by the looks of it Moura does seem to play a bit selfish and it would be better for United to look towards a finished product rather than a developing one. Someone like Sahin could spell the answers for United. He has had a few injury problems no doubt but he was class during his Dortmund days and moreover he could link up well with Kagawa.
I like Sahin a lot. I know he's had injuries but should have more time at Madrid. Would definately get his name on the back of a United Shirt!
Mind-blowing article, I've never liked the idea that we're going after another attacking midfielder when we have more important needs in deeper positions in midfield. We still remain short of both quality & quantity in the department. Whether we sign over-rated & over-priced Moura or not, Ȋ̝̊̅'ll remain disappointed ιƒ we don't sign a proper CM at the end of the transfer window.
Daithi here just like to say your article is not very good , The boy Lucas Mauro is 19 years young not 19 years old , Rem C Ronaldo when he first played for man united he was very poor lots of skill no end product , But SAF and the team and staff put time in him amd made him into the superstar he is today. You dont judge how good a player is when he is 19 cause he is only getting better all the time at that age.
We didn't pay €30 + mil for Ronaldo though. And Ronaldo was already playing in a competitive European league. Thanks for feedback though, I do like Lucas, just not his price tag.
Oscar is already a chelsea player…fuck off united u cant steal him from us…go chase ur lucas walcott…oscar,marin,hazard,mata,ramires…we are going to win the league
And we look forward to playing you guys this year. Good luck and enjoy the season. Btw, he's not yet a chelsea player but it's not far off. United as far as we know aren't interested so im sure you can sleep easy…
classy as ever from a chav small clubs fan, lets hope they all end as good as torres eh rent boy lol
You guys were successful albeit with luck, during the back end of the season due to defending with 10 men, Drogba was your best defender at defensive set plays.
Now you guys have bought 3 players along with Mata, who was regularly substituted in cup games due to his inability to defend, who cannot track back and dont do the defensive work.
Something tells me you will have a huge imbalance next season and MR J Terry is going to be left hugely exposed
Could be a very true fact that…however it may be the case chelsea go the other way and score for fun. Will be interesting to see!
I just want to know what ur opinion about this is–say Utd got Oscar. Now, with Kagawa's position behind striker being fixed…oscar wont get many chances there. For the 2 spots in MF…Carrick is fixed(if fit). Now for the other spot there is a lot of competition….scholes, cleverley,anderson and a young cm in the squad. It was pogba last season who travelled with the squad many times. This time it might be powell. I just don't get where u can accommodate him. given his built, i cant see him playing in the double pivot,in the PL, however good he might be. I believe chelsea are buying, to play him behind the striker. IMO–Ferguson, wrapped up the kagawa deal and then went for Hazard till the end, only to be blown out by chelsea. Maybe, he was looking to play hazard on left in 4-2-3-1, which was where he played his most games for lille, even though he says that he wants to play as a 10. But it only seems right to me that he is going for Moura, having missed out on Hazard. I do know that this whole argument wud be a waste if chelsea play him in double pivot. But if they play him behind the striker….no one will even feel bad that we didnt try for him. We've got Kagawa!! And why would u want two equally good players, who play the same postion in the same team? Out of the two, one would surely suffer.
Oscar can play anywhere in a 3 behind the striker. Not saying he'll play every week but neither will Kagawa, Nani, Young or Valencia. Don't for one minute think we could get him but we could play him with Kagawa and Nani with each of them constantly moving alternating positions terrorising defences. Valencia is our best winger but cant play that way as well as Nani. So if we play Tony V then I reckon Oscar and Kagawa could swap between AML and AMC to provide creativity and create space for Valencia to make the bullets for Rooney and Co to score.
Cheers for the debate!
Nice article. £30 mill seems a huge amount for a relatively fresh South American never tested in European leagues. Don't see any other big European clubs knocking their door down. Ronaldo was a £17 million gamble that paid off but this sort of thing is few and far between. £30 mill is a huge gamble.
Not convinced he is what Utd need. My preference would be to plunder the midfields of Benfica and Bilbao for proven classy performers.
If we do sign Lucas Moira then time to ditch Nani – although improved, too inconsistent and rarely influences big games.
Love the Bilbao reference though think Javi Martinez could be on his way to Barcelona…just to make them that little more terrifying!
Cheers
Oscar/lukaku comparism is kinda biase. And lucas is not like wallcot at all. He is strong an flaboyant unlike wallcot. Oscar will just kill cleverly game and with the number of wingers man red have oscar will be a waste. man red needs a better traquista
I didn't think we were in need of another wide forward, but perhaps Lucas is plan B after we didn't pick up Hazard. clearly Lucas is a very different type of player to Oscar and the manager appears more focused on picking up a soloist than a schemer. not seen much of Lucas, but the Walcott comparisons have worried me a little bit. does he only play wide right or do Sao Paolo use him in other positions?
I accept your points on Oscar's versatility and how he might combine well with Kagawa, but I'm very much under the impression that signing the pair of them in one summer would be duplication, as they are both ideally suited to the creative number 10 function.
Lucas can play more in middle as well and even as a striker on occassion (but this didn't work too well for Sao Paulo last year).
I disagree about the duplication, I think it could work well and Oscar has been known to play on Left and Right for the National Team to leave Neymar in the middle when he wants to come in. Also when Ganso is in team Oscar plays wider. Can work well at United esp since Kagawa has similar abilities after linking with Gotze et al at Dortmund.
to be fair, it generally seems less risky to invest in an intelligent young player like Oscar than one like Lucas who has technical and physical attributes, but suspect decision-making – can't guarantee how well that aspect of his game develops. I think I agree (based mostly on a couple of Brazil friendlies and articles like yours) that Oscar is likely to be a better value signing – at least in the short-term. to be honest, though, I wouldn't prioritise any attacking signings at the moment (I think Lucas creates as much of a selection headache as Oscar), so I'm just looking on bemused.
a well written article.
tbh i think we should be chasing Damiao, instead of RVP (his a great player and a proven one at this level but injuries/age/price tag/wages all count against him) he offers something different to what we have now, his young and would fit in very well in any of our systems or in tandem with any of our current crop.
but barring a last grasp bid we have missed out on Oscar.
i agree on Lucas theres a risk that he could turn out to be a Denilson or Robinho (not a bad player just never lived up to the price/hype) but Ronaldo was very raw and we can develop him into a better player.
Damiao is very exciting but again like Lucas & Ganso he's not the finished article. I can see him signing for Porto (or similar club) for a couple of seasons before coming onto Spain or England. He's great front to goal but needs a lot of work to develop himself with his back to goal.
Robinho I fear could be Lucas' future. I hope not but we'll see.
firstly…. What a great article. A great read and some serous indept knowledge on the players involved. I do however, disagree unfortunately. I'll name one name for my arguement, RONALDO. A kid, younger than Moura that was a very risky prospect before joining united. Sparks of brilliance yet a very much unfinished untrained talent. I see similarities between these players skill wise, strength goes to moura, ingenuity goes to moura and like ronaldo, given the right tutalage moura will develop immensly. I rate ronaldo as the best playerbin the world.. United made him so and at the same satge of these players careers moura is years ahead and can only get so much better.
Thanks for the feedback! I agree Moura's potential could lead to him being first class but the main difference between him and Ronaldo was that Ronaldo had European experience especially playing against European defenders. Brazilian footballing style means attackers have much more time on the ball giving them more time to do amazing things. Ronaldo could do that against faster, quicker, stronger and more tactically astute defenders. Plus we didnt pay €30mil + for him!
If we sign him fergie will definitely be the man to help him realise his potential so lets hope it happens!
personally, i thin united should stop concentrating on central attacking midfielders and concentrate on defensive midfielders, if you ask me after Sebastian Veron its been a disaster at united and then came Hagreaves but injuries dinished him so i think Newcastle's Cheik Tiote is what we need because he's got the talent and the experience.
You obviously don't know the new style of play Chelsea want to implement. Everything you said was biased and against Chelsea. We are making the right moves in this transfer window and the Champions League victory has a lot to do with it.
Cheers for the feedback – honestly not biased against Chelsea (except that I'm a red) I think it could be a superb season for them and the signings would indicate they are making the transition for a new generation. It will be terrifying if it works and a manager is given time to experiment with a front 4 of mata Oscar hazard and Torres/lukaku. Not sure marin will make the grade though grudgingly hope to be proved wrong. My criticism is that Chelsea don't have a habit of this particularly in recent years and if they stick to what they know then Oscar will sit on the bench and rot. He's too good for that. Looking forward to an exciting new season then?
What are your thoughts on Paulinho and Ganso? I know that Oscar's rise to fame coincided with Ganso's injury/loss of form. Heard Paulinho is a classy hybrid of Kaka and Gilberto Silva…hard to believe.
I love Ganso but he's a product of too much hype too soon (I think the same can be said about Lucas too) he had a superb breakthrough season and was given the No.10 at Santos and for the National team. He couldn't live up the hype and it didn't help he suffered with a lot of injuries. His biggest problem though is that he needs too much time on the ball to be effective at the minute. This is seen particularly for the National team when coming up against defenders and defensive midfielders from European clubs – brazilian clubs tend to play very deep defensive lines and theres much more space between picking the ball up in midfield and taking it forward than there is in European football. Against a higher level of opposition Ganso really struggles although he is supremely talented he needs a move to Europe so he can progress his career. He's always fancied Italy but no one seems prepared to make a bid for him yet. Watch this space though.
As for Paulinho I cannot say enough nice things about him. He and Ralf run the Corinthians midfield and have done such a good job that Corinthians conceded fewer that 10 goals in the Copa Libertadores this year (I'm fairly sure of this but if I'm wrong they didn't concede too many more). He's got steeliness and grit but yet he is superb on the ball, a real class act. He was rumoured to be headed to Italy lately but not sure what's happening – check out twitter to find out. He's a marginally different player to Romulo (see Brazilian Olympic team for him). Out of the 2 I would prefer Romulo as he just has the tactical nouse developed a little more as of yet, but for some silly reason (probably Vasco needing money) he's just been sold to Spartak Moscow – hope it doesn't halt his progress too much. Had he waited until after the olympics I think he could have picked between 5-6 top European clubs and I include United in there. Truely class talent and still reasonably young.
Prob more info than you wanted but love talking Brazilian footballers – if you get the chance watch their Olympic campaign – it should be something special.
The more info, the better. I know a lot about the 5-6 biggest leagues and bits and pieces about others so new info is always appreciated.
The reason I ask is is because I'm an Arsenal fan and we were linked with both. Sounds like Paulinho would be the better option but I heard signing him can be messy due to his 3rd party ownership (something like that).
It's a huge problem in brazil with players being owned by clubs and investors to help pay their massive wages. Ronaldinho went back to Flamengo and was paid by Fla and a company called Traffik. Astronomical figures of money were supposed to be paid but Traffik didn't deliver, R10 left flamengo (and his brother raided the club shop as well) and is now playing for Athletico Minero. Same problem wouldn't apply to Arsenal as they'll have to buy the player outright. The problem here is then that these investors want their pay day. Tevez/Kia Joorabchian scenario at West Ham/United was similar type of issue. When Tevez was at Corinthians, the club only owned a certain % of him. Makes things tricky. In theory if Arsenal really want their men then they'll get them, but they may have to pay a little more than they'd like.
Ganso would struggle at Arsenal, have always thought that, but Paulinho could be a good fit. He seems to want to head to Milan (either team) though.
Also, you can have Ganso at Arsenal, i'm sick of my favourite players going to clubs I don't like
Good article, Well put together and full of common sense, so who is Uniteds talent scout in Brazil i was given to understand
it was Japp Stam , if so why no mention of this player Oscar before? Stam was one of the best defenders in World football
surely he would have the experience to spot such talent, Fergie is a stubburn Scot and regardless of his brilliance and success
as a manager, he has in the past made some bad blues in choice of players, as have all managers, but in persuing Lucas Moura
above all others, one wonders if he is trying to recreate one of his greatest successes in Christian Ronaldo.
I wil so glad if we buy any 1 of dis play whether lucas moura or oscar any 1 one dem we should buy it….thank
I agree wholeheartedly. Another promising, young Brazilian is not what United need. (see Anderson) in Soccernomics, the authors discuss the process of players acclimating to new surroundings. It seems to me that Brazilian players, especially younger ones, find it difficult to acclimate to the tougher European leagues. England poses many more problems than say, Spain- language, food, weather being the main culprits. Maybe in a few years, Loucas will be a great player for Madrid or Milan, but I agree with you that now is not the right time…
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and by signing these players young we might get a steal or two. having watched oscar last night vs egypt, i was jumping with joy. this guy is definitely worth every penny of the 25m euros (yeah the media misquoted it as pounds). to me the best signing might turn out to be someone like marin, he was brought very cheap at around 7m(pounds) and just a couple of seasons back was dubbed "the german messi". he has shown promise with his pre-season performance. and i feel he might turn out to be the best value for money. hazard and oscar might be better players but the ROI which marin might provide is something that hazard and oscar might not be able to match (and if they do, cheslea will be really lucky to get such great players at this cost!!). we did earn around 50m pounds (as zach pointed out) in the CL this season, so we can spend big this season. and our net transfer spend this season is around 32m(hazard, maybe its euros, not quite sure)+ 7m (marin) + 20m (oscar) = 59m and expected 7m(azpilicueta) and maybe 8m(moses) so we are spending wisely and not beyond our means. also mentioning that the big wages are big slashed down (bosingwa, kalou, drogba, anelka, alex have all left and malouda, ferreira are expected to leave). the new signings are being signed at low wages (except torres ofcourse!!). so all in all the transfer policy of the club is actually headed in the right direction under emenalo. so the future looks a lot more promising than it ever did in the past.